Now that I have posted all that i wanted I really wanna talk about wheter i liked to book or not....welll in this case its really hard to decide that, because I feel that there are too many factors that I have to consider to make a decision.
First of all I really did not like the overall and general depiction of both sexes, by that i mean i dont like how men were seen as sex crazy animals and women as not bright individuals. But then again you have Lysistrata who is very very very smart and did a fantastic job leading the revolt.
Another thing about this play that i would have changed was the setting, I feel that the adaptor of the play should have had changed not only the language and formated to modern times but they should have also formated the basic setting of the play so that the main concept was more clearly undestood by the reader.
Finally I wanna say that I have enjoyed blogging but i missed writting the papers (motifs, chatracter analysis...) : (
Until next time!!!!
Monday, November 17, 2008
UWM!!!!!
We had 3 very bright and intelligent individuals come in to class and give us some great information about college english courses. The presentation was well planned and they all had a strong argument to complete and really seemed real when they spoke. They all had very good presentations and knew what they were talking about.
One of the things that really shocked me was that they were all very young and were pursuing their doctors degree. Another thing was that they have similar teaching styels but they are diverse in a way and also how different these courses are then what we are used to in high school, sucks for us because its gonna be just like TOK!!!!!!!!
One of the things that really shocked me was that they were all very young and were pursuing their doctors degree. Another thing was that they have similar teaching styels but they are diverse in a way and also how different these courses are then what we are used to in high school, sucks for us because its gonna be just like TOK!!!!!!!!
What kind of power do men have?
If women are said to have power over men, couldn't it also be said that men have even more power over women?
I say this because it is their actions that lead women to think about a way to stop this war and therefore in a way the man egged the women like Lysistrata to think beyond their boundaries and come up with this idea of abstinence.
So I'm gonna keep it short and sweet and open it up for discussion...what do you guys think that the men are the one with the central power and that from their power women obtain theirs?
I say this because it is their actions that lead women to think about a way to stop this war and therefore in a way the man egged the women like Lysistrata to think beyond their boundaries and come up with this idea of abstinence.
So I'm gonna keep it short and sweet and open it up for discussion...what do you guys think that the men are the one with the central power and that from their power women obtain theirs?
Does this really work?
In the play the women decide to go and strike the war by not having sex with their husbands, so we got to think about it in class and we wondered...could this idea work in our day?
To me the answer is very simple and short...NO!!!!!
The idea that couple stop having sex is very absurd because of several factors.
1) The men are away and there is no real chance to have sex because, welll is not like they are really close to each other at all.
2) It is cery hard to get everyon to participate because we have grown apart as a society.
3) Nowadays there are also women that are in the military, so what do we do with that?
Fianlly i would like to point out that we also really lack a strong and centralized women leader to take on this role that Lysistrata did, we have to many Kleonike's and not enough Lysistrata's
To me the answer is very simple and short...NO!!!!!
The idea that couple stop having sex is very absurd because of several factors.
1) The men are away and there is no real chance to have sex because, welll is not like they are really close to each other at all.
2) It is cery hard to get everyon to participate because we have grown apart as a society.
3) Nowadays there are also women that are in the military, so what do we do with that?
Fianlly i would like to point out that we also really lack a strong and centralized women leader to take on this role that Lysistrata did, we have to many Kleonike's and not enough Lysistrata's
What is Pun?
A pun or paronomasia is a phrase that deliberately exploits confusion between similar-sounding words for humorous or rhetorical effect.
Lysistrata is filled with puns and their use, to my knowledge, is far more than just that for fun!!!
The puns in the play can be seen as an element that the aouthpr uses with the intent to create a more sexually explicit dialogue between the characters and to portray the idea behind the line of sexual abstinence and how it affects the development of the plot.
Puns also serve as an aid to the translator because they make the job of translating the basic and main ideas of the play much more quicket yet it doesnt take away from the original effect of the oroginal text.
So why puns? Why not just have stright sex talk?
I think this was done to romaticise the idea of the explicitness of the play and to make it a more targetable piece of literature for a broader audience.
Lysistrata is filled with puns and their use, to my knowledge, is far more than just that for fun!!!
The puns in the play can be seen as an element that the aouthpr uses with the intent to create a more sexually explicit dialogue between the characters and to portray the idea behind the line of sexual abstinence and how it affects the development of the plot.
Puns also serve as an aid to the translator because they make the job of translating the basic and main ideas of the play much more quicket yet it doesnt take away from the original effect of the oroginal text.
So why puns? Why not just have stright sex talk?
I think this was done to romaticise the idea of the explicitness of the play and to make it a more targetable piece of literature for a broader audience.
Kleonike
From the moment I read about her I knew she was something special.
Kleonike to me is kind off the comic release in this play, even though the play initself is comical.
Kleonike comes across as a very very dumb women who understimates her power as a woman and lacks the ability to com eup with logial and indepth reasoning like Lysistrata does. Thorughtout the novel there is a sense of learning for her. She learns how to use her power and manipulate her man with it and in a way it seems as if she was more reasured of who she is and what her true value is.
In my mind she is skinny, she wears glasses, wears odd outfits, she speaks through her nose and drags her feet as she walks. IDK why but this how I picture her...how about u guys?
Kleonike to me is kind off the comic release in this play, even though the play initself is comical.
Kleonike comes across as a very very dumb women who understimates her power as a woman and lacks the ability to com eup with logial and indepth reasoning like Lysistrata does. Thorughtout the novel there is a sense of learning for her. She learns how to use her power and manipulate her man with it and in a way it seems as if she was more reasured of who she is and what her true value is.
In my mind she is skinny, she wears glasses, wears odd outfits, she speaks through her nose and drags her feet as she walks. IDK why but this how I picture her...how about u guys?
So, what is this play really about?
At first this play can be really seen as an exhibtion of sexual inuendo and sex related puns , but when looked at it closely there are many other aspects that surround the surface of the underlying meaning. To me, personally ther are more than one way this play can be interpreted.
1) A shwoing of the struggle for power between the sexes - This is shown by the conflict over the akropolis by the women and the men and throughout the entire play when both sides dealt with the constant fight and struggle that they had to go through to gain what they expected from their actions, for the women it was stop the war and for the men stop the war to get sex.
2) The understimation of women and their power - need i say more!!! this point is shown by the action that the woment take to abstain from sex.
3) It can also be a social critique by the author in which he calls out society for being to eagerly motivated to pursue what they want without taking into consideration the unintended consequences - for example the men go to war to win it and women stop having sex with them to stop the war, but really did the problems get solved right away or were there even further obstacles?
1) A shwoing of the struggle for power between the sexes - This is shown by the conflict over the akropolis by the women and the men and throughout the entire play when both sides dealt with the constant fight and struggle that they had to go through to gain what they expected from their actions, for the women it was stop the war and for the men stop the war to get sex.
2) The understimation of women and their power - need i say more!!! this point is shown by the action that the woment take to abstain from sex.
3) It can also be a social critique by the author in which he calls out society for being to eagerly motivated to pursue what they want without taking into consideration the unintended consequences - for example the men go to war to win it and women stop having sex with them to stop the war, but really did the problems get solved right away or were there even further obstacles?
The depiction of Men
Men in this play r also depicted very negatively to me. They are seen as if they were irrational creatures who have the sole purpose of fighting in wars withour having a single idea of what the consequences of their actions may be. Having have said this i also think that thay are seen as overly sexual adn too lusty. Yes, there are times of desperation, but it just occurrs to me that even in times of sexual desperation and need there are other alternate solutions even during these times.
The depiction of Women
Lysistrata is based and centerd all around women. It is an attempt bu the author to make the reader consciously aware of the importance the women have in our everyday lives. And while I do agree that they are very important to the well being of our society, I do also wanna point out that I completely disagree with the depiction of women in this play and how the author makes them carry themselves. From my perspective they are a seen as nothing more than a sexuaul object by both the men and the author. Also women in this play like Kleonike are often seem as not very clever and unable to reason why abstinence is a positive way of protesting. On the other had however there are some good depictions of women in the play. Lysistrata, for example is a strong and charismatic leader who has what all of the other women lack, personality and intelligence.
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