Loved Hedda, hated the play!!!
I think it was too over the top spanish soapopera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!
Think the characters are effectively used to move the plot ahead and their actions are justified (most of them). That said the characters were very predictable and kinda over created by Ibsen, their extensive physical description took away the right of the reader, which to me is the power to create and imagine the character however they want!!!!
Language was very simple, so I got it!!!!!!!!! But why 4 acts? Didn't like the brake up of the action between the 4 acts? and why did it all happen in lilke 2 days? too much for such a small time period, dont u think?
The ending was very good, impecable but not too clever. My perfect ending would have been if like Thea killed herself...was anyone else annoyed by her?????
Sadly the story came short of my expectations, sorry for all of those that liked it, but it did make for great class discussion and there is more than one possible paper topics!!!!!!!
Well...now....Lysistrata!!!!!!
Sunday, October 26, 2008
Does this play really work in our times?
Does this story about a woman recurring to extremes to get what she wants in life work in our time?
Sadly it does....
Although times have changed and the balance between the power that men and women has changed, there is still a big part of our society that denies women the opportunity to be equal to men.
Of course things are not as bad as they were in traditional society but they are not that different either.
Women stil have to fight and be very agressive in many scenarios to obtain the power. Not neccesarily ask people to kill themselves, or pull another womens hair, but there is still this fight for women to get into power.
I personally believe that if I wanna be in peace with myself I would like to know that i dont get what I get because I am a guy but because the system was fair and I have what i deserve, even if it means losing to a woman.
Sadly it does....
Although times have changed and the balance between the power that men and women has changed, there is still a big part of our society that denies women the opportunity to be equal to men.
Of course things are not as bad as they were in traditional society but they are not that different either.
Women stil have to fight and be very agressive in many scenarios to obtain the power. Not neccesarily ask people to kill themselves, or pull another womens hair, but there is still this fight for women to get into power.
I personally believe that if I wanna be in peace with myself I would like to know that i dont get what I get because I am a guy but because the system was fair and I have what i deserve, even if it means losing to a woman.
If Hedda Was a Boy
As I sit here trying to finish my blog posts, I cant help but turn on the radio and just went I thought I was out of ideas, I heard Beyonce's new song and all I could think is: Hedda would so sing this song if she could....next are the lyrics, hope you read and interpret them....really good song....enjoy
If I Were A Boy by Beyoncé
If I were a boy
Even just for a day
I'd roll outta bed in the morning
And throw on what I wanted then go
Drink beer with the guys
And chase after girls
I'd kick it with who I wanted
And I'd never get confronted for it
Cause they'd stick up for me
'''If I were a boy
I think I could understand
How it feels to love a girl
I swear I'd be a better man
I'd listen to her
Cause I know how it hurts
When you lose the one you wanted
Cause he's taken you for granted
And everything you had got destroyed'''
If I were a boy
I would turn off my phone
Tell everyone it's broken
So they'd think that I was sleepin' alone
I'd put myself first
And make the rules as I go
Cause I know that she'd be faithful
Waitin' for me to come home (to come home)
'''If I were a boy
I think I could understand
How it feels to love a girl
I swear I'd be a better man
I'd listen to her
Cause I know how it hurts
When you lose the one you wanted
Cause he's taken you for granted
And everything you had got destroyed'''
It's a little too late for you to come back
Say it's just a mistake
Think I'd forgive you like that
If you thought I would wait for you
You thought wrong
'''But you're just a boy
You don't understand
Yeah you don't understand
How it feels to love a girl someday
You wish you were a better man
You don't listen to her
You don't care how it hurts
Until you lose the one you wanted
Cause you've taken her for granted
And everything you have got destroyed
But you're just a boy'''
If I Were A Boy by Beyoncé
If I were a boy
Even just for a day
I'd roll outta bed in the morning
And throw on what I wanted then go
Drink beer with the guys
And chase after girls
I'd kick it with who I wanted
And I'd never get confronted for it
Cause they'd stick up for me
'''If I were a boy
I think I could understand
How it feels to love a girl
I swear I'd be a better man
I'd listen to her
Cause I know how it hurts
When you lose the one you wanted
Cause he's taken you for granted
And everything you had got destroyed'''
If I were a boy
I would turn off my phone
Tell everyone it's broken
So they'd think that I was sleepin' alone
I'd put myself first
And make the rules as I go
Cause I know that she'd be faithful
Waitin' for me to come home (to come home)
'''If I were a boy
I think I could understand
How it feels to love a girl
I swear I'd be a better man
I'd listen to her
Cause I know how it hurts
When you lose the one you wanted
Cause he's taken you for granted
And everything you had got destroyed'''
It's a little too late for you to come back
Say it's just a mistake
Think I'd forgive you like that
If you thought I would wait for you
You thought wrong
'''But you're just a boy
You don't understand
Yeah you don't understand
How it feels to love a girl someday
You wish you were a better man
You don't listen to her
You don't care how it hurts
Until you lose the one you wanted
Cause you've taken her for granted
And everything you have got destroyed
But you're just a boy'''
The Victim
In my opinion, the true victim in this play was Hedda Gabler. Why? Because...
1) She had no power over her life.
Hedda seemed as if she was in control but in reality she was the on being controlled. She
lacked the ability to be as powerful as Brack or any other men in the play.
2) Brack takes advantage of her.
Hedda is trapped and manipulated by Brack. She lacks the power to escape his manipulation
and she lacks the strenght to confront him.
3) Thea steals Lovborg from her!
Sure sure, she doesnt really love him but Thea does come in the picture, to a certain extent
take advantage of Lovborg and impact negatively Hedda.
1) She had no power over her life.
Hedda seemed as if she was in control but in reality she was the on being controlled. She
lacked the ability to be as powerful as Brack or any other men in the play.
2) Brack takes advantage of her.
Hedda is trapped and manipulated by Brack. She lacks the power to escape his manipulation
and she lacks the strenght to confront him.
3) Thea steals Lovborg from her!
Sure sure, she doesnt really love him but Thea does come in the picture, to a certain extent
take advantage of Lovborg and impact negatively Hedda.
Dirty Little Secret!!!
Brack!!!!!
Did you love or did you love him?
I didn't!!! What a manipulative selfish pig!!!!!!!!
Brack, from the start was nothing but the one to look out for. He was that very strong masculine prescence that the book needed to carry on the plot. His prescence and his involvement in the life of Hedda was crucial to the conclusion of the story and it was impartial to the sequence of the story line.
Did I like him? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!
He was too dirty! He lacked charisma and that witty charm that many villains have that make you love them a lot!!!!
Can't believe he didn't die though!!!!
Well I can see why...if I died what whould have happened to the last line....who would have said it? and would have had the same meaning if it didn't come from him?
Did you love or did you love him?
I didn't!!! What a manipulative selfish pig!!!!!!!!
Brack, from the start was nothing but the one to look out for. He was that very strong masculine prescence that the book needed to carry on the plot. His prescence and his involvement in the life of Hedda was crucial to the conclusion of the story and it was impartial to the sequence of the story line.
Did I like him? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!
He was too dirty! He lacked charisma and that witty charm that many villains have that make you love them a lot!!!!
Can't believe he didn't die though!!!!
Well I can see why...if I died what whould have happened to the last line....who would have said it? and would have had the same meaning if it didn't come from him?
Who was the real villain?
Hedda can be the villain because, well, if you dont know that by now then you have a little problem dont you?
George can also be seen as the main villain because his desire to obtain the professoship and to please Hedda leads him to be dishonest, hide the manuscript, which to a certain extent leads to the end of Hedda.
Thea can be also be seen as the villain because she controls Lovborg and inderectly lets Hedda go crazy because of this which in a way leads her to the ending of her life.
Lovborg, too can be the villain becuase well wasnt he the one causing all the trouble and didnt her literally kill Thea and her hopes?
And Brack...welll I'll save him for later!!!!!!
George can also be seen as the main villain because his desire to obtain the professoship and to please Hedda leads him to be dishonest, hide the manuscript, which to a certain extent leads to the end of Hedda.
Thea can be also be seen as the villain because she controls Lovborg and inderectly lets Hedda go crazy because of this which in a way leads her to the ending of her life.
Lovborg, too can be the villain becuase well wasnt he the one causing all the trouble and didnt her literally kill Thea and her hopes?
And Brack...welll I'll save him for later!!!!!!
Saw it coming.....
Guess what?
Hedda Dies!!!!
No!!!!
Yes!!!!
Yeah Ibsen, dont think you fooled me, ok....I saw her end as soon as I saw her start.
C'mon...really guys, did we not all predict that she was gonna die?
I could see it from the begining, all these writters find it impossible to let a character as "bad" as Hedda alive, and thats the problem in all of these stories.
Hedda had to die to relieve the main point in the plot, which to me personally, is the injustice in society, especially against women and the struggle for power between those who need it to move ahead.
Hedda Dies!!!!
No!!!!
Yes!!!!
Yeah Ibsen, dont think you fooled me, ok....I saw her end as soon as I saw her start.
C'mon...really guys, did we not all predict that she was gonna die?
I could see it from the begining, all these writters find it impossible to let a character as "bad" as Hedda alive, and thats the problem in all of these stories.
Hedda had to die to relieve the main point in the plot, which to me personally, is the injustice in society, especially against women and the struggle for power between those who need it to move ahead.
Manuscript: was it really that good?
Its ironic to see the importance that the characters place upon the manuscript!!!
Well, don't get me wrong, I do understand its significance on the play, but is it worth it??????
All we really know is that it is written by Lovborg, with the help of Thea, and that it deals with subjects about the future. So....why is there such a big deal with it?
Sure, sure, it can get Lovborg the recognition that he wants and it guarantees him a higher place in the place social structure, and yes for George it is a chance at getting the profesorship.
But are we really sure it was that good? Who knows? Maybe its just a sad little creative writting paper and nothing out of the world.
Hedda, refers to it as the "baby" of Lovborg and Thea, can we say....ridiculous?
C'mon, even if Thea wrote it, there are more than one thing that can bind Thean and Lovborg together, and in all honesty the manuscript is just a sad little excuse, no need for all of that!
Well, don't get me wrong, I do understand its significance on the play, but is it worth it??????
All we really know is that it is written by Lovborg, with the help of Thea, and that it deals with subjects about the future. So....why is there such a big deal with it?
Sure, sure, it can get Lovborg the recognition that he wants and it guarantees him a higher place in the place social structure, and yes for George it is a chance at getting the profesorship.
But are we really sure it was that good? Who knows? Maybe its just a sad little creative writting paper and nothing out of the world.
Hedda, refers to it as the "baby" of Lovborg and Thea, can we say....ridiculous?
C'mon, even if Thea wrote it, there are more than one thing that can bind Thean and Lovborg together, and in all honesty the manuscript is just a sad little excuse, no need for all of that!
HEDDA!!!!
Well, sorry it took so long!!!!!
Got so many things to say about this play!!!!!
Loved Hedda, hated the plot...to Gatsby for me!
Hedda is indeed one of the most fascinating characters in the play. There are way too many ways to read who she is. She is very strong and arrogant at first glance but, she isn't really. Her desire for power places her in a constant struggle between doing what is right and doing what she feels she need to do in order to move ahead in this power structure that she has been placed in. With out doubt many people will disagree with the way she goes about doing things, but wouldn't we do the same if we felt trapped in the situation she is. How do you think it would feel to have to move down in social class because of your marriage, see the one you love working with your enemy and being manipualted by a pig who uses his power to abuse you?
I can completlly defend and understand Hedda's aggressive passion. I think that in her position, and knowing that there are no other choices, I would do the same as her.
Got so many things to say about this play!!!!!
Loved Hedda, hated the plot...to Gatsby for me!
Hedda is indeed one of the most fascinating characters in the play. There are way too many ways to read who she is. She is very strong and arrogant at first glance but, she isn't really. Her desire for power places her in a constant struggle between doing what is right and doing what she feels she need to do in order to move ahead in this power structure that she has been placed in. With out doubt many people will disagree with the way she goes about doing things, but wouldn't we do the same if we felt trapped in the situation she is. How do you think it would feel to have to move down in social class because of your marriage, see the one you love working with your enemy and being manipualted by a pig who uses his power to abuse you?
I can completlly defend and understand Hedda's aggressive passion. I think that in her position, and knowing that there are no other choices, I would do the same as her.
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